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>
> An Open Letter to the Palestinians from an Agnostic
>
>Speaking Truth to the Powerless: An Open Letter To The
>People Commonly Called "Palestinians".
>
>Greetings to any Palestinian who may be reading this. My name is David
>White. I am a citizen of New Zealand, a small, Western, nominally Christian
>country in the South Pacific Ocean. I am not Jewish, or Christian, I guess
>I'm vaguely agnostic.
>
>Writing this letter is a good way for me to discuss the horrible mess in the
>Middle East, spell out as many relevant points as possible concerning the
>state of the Palestinian people, and to see what can be made of them I don't
>speak Arabic, so I can only communicate with English-speaking Palestinians.
>There aren't many here in NZ, though, and I haven't yet met any. I don't
>know how many will ever see these words, but, here's hoping someone does.
>
>I have a post-graduate university education, and I suppose I could be called
>an intellectual. Unfortunately, many such people have supported abhorrent
>ideologies such as Nazism, and continue to support Communism, so I refuse to
>describe myself in this way. I don't want to considered as just another
>"trendy leftie" academic, as we would say in NZ. So, unlike many
>university-educated types, I am anti-totalitarian, pro-peace up to a
>point,pro-democracy, pro-capitalism (except the capitalists running Enron),
>and skeptical about the "cult of victimhood." I'm quite safe here in New
>Zealand, and no-one I know has been killed by a Palestinian.
>
>My perspective of Palestinians is something like this - you're Arabs (of
>course), mostly Muslim, but with a Christian minority. Many of you live
>outside Gaza/West Bank, mostly in Jordan and other Muslim countries, with
>some groups living in Western countries as well. You feel that you have been
>wronged by Israel and are fighting to destroy them.
>
>As for my perspective on Israel, I see them like this. They are a mainly
>Jewish, small, free-market democracy with a large Arab minority surrounded
>by hostile Arab dictatorships. They have an ancestral claim to Israel, their
>state was created as a refuge from persecution, they have a right to exist,
>and, having survived a holocaust in Europe, they should not have to sit
>still and wait for another one in the Middle East.
>
>A Down Under Overview.
>Over the last few months, the conflict in the disputed territories of Gaza
>and the West Bank has turned into a war between the Palestinian people and
>Israel. (I will not apologise for using the term "disputed", as I believe it
>reflects a rather complicated situation more accurately than "occupied").
>
>Your interpretation, as far as I can tell, seems to be something like this:
>You have no state of your own, and you are fighting a war against those you
>call "Zionist oppressors" and "colonial imperialists", in order to create a
>Palestinian state. Accusations of massacre and human rights violations by
>the Israeli Army are being tossed around like confetti. Your leader, Yasser
>Arafat, vows to "martyr" himself rather than "surrender", and that bungling
>and incompetent organization, the United Nations (again, no apologies for
>venting personal opinions), is trying to do what it is constitutionally
>incapable of doing, i.e. "saving future generations from the scourge of
>war".
>
>The Israelis see things differently, of course. For them, it's a simple
>battle for survival. They offered you a state, and you attacked them
>instead. They have occupied Palestinian towns, have fought it out with
>various armed groups, and desperate attempts are being made by the US, other
>Arab countries and the UN to break the so-called "cycle of violence". As a
>result, the Palestinian situation at the moment generally, can be explained
>by putting it into New Zealand idiom.
>
>Put bluntly, the Palestinian people are buggered. Munted. Stuffed. Rooted.
>(American equivalent=screwed. British equivalent: done over). It's like
>this: Yasser Arafat turned down the Israeli offer of a Palestinian homeland
>in Gaza and the West Bank. You want, or Arafat claims that you want, a
>Palestine "from the river to the sea;" in other words, "all or nothing".
>
>There is one insuperable obstacle to this- Israel. No matter how eloquent
>your arguments or numerous your martyrs, no matter how many European
>diplomats are angered by, or UN resolutions are passed against, Israel, the
>Israelis are not going to pack up and leave. The only way you will get the
>Palestinian state you want is to destroy Israel.
>
>This is what you have been trying to do since 1948, and the current
>"intifada" launched in 2000 is your latest effort. However, the Israelis are
>not standing there and letting you kill them. They are fighting back, and if
>they have to choose between their own survival and yours, guess which choice
>they'll make.
>
>A Vast Wringing Of Hands, A Great Fluttering Of Diplomats. That has been the
>overall response to the disaster you have created for yourselves. You, the
>Palestinian Arabs, are obviously hoping for some kind of international
>intervention to save you. As we in New Zealand would say, "Get Real!".
>
>The European Union and the UN have demonstrated on numerous occasions in the
>past their incompetence and total incapacity to take any sort of firm action
>without American leadership. Ask your Muslim brothers of Bosnia-Herzegovina,
>about how effective the EU and the UN were in protecting them without
>American intervention. In spite of the impression that American diplomatic
>efforts have created, the US will not take sides against Israel, and will
>eventually abandon its futile attempts at evenhandedness. If they do join
>forces militarily with Israel in their war against terrorism, your fighters
>will be snuffed out like candle flames.
>
>As for your "beloved Arab brothers" in the Middle East, they make a great
>deal of noise about your "liberation struggle", and have sent money and
>arms, but have not sent a single tank to save you. Their diplomatic
>proposals are ones that could have been offered at any time, and are aimed
>at benefiting them, not Palestinians.The Egyptians themselves will not
>declare war on Israel unless they receive $100 billion to cover their costs.
>
>
>Do you really believe that the rest of your Arab Muslim brothers think you
>are worth that much? Do you really believe they will put your interests
>ahead of their own? Although your friends and Arabs in Europe are passing
>sanctions and burning synagogues in your support, not a single EU warship
>has sailed to your aid, and not a single NATO aircraft has dropped a single
>bomb on your "Zionist oppressors".
>
>I have noted that large numbers of people, including university educated
>intellectuals support the Palestinian cause. Don't be misled by this. No
>matter how many western intellectuals, news media and international
>organisations may support the Palestinian struggle, none of this matters
>because America stands by Israel.
>
>The Unbearable Burden of Life
>How did you get into such a mess? As you yourselves would say and have
>indeed said on many occasions, it isn't your fault. It's always the "Great
>Satan" America, and it's "Lesser Satan", Israel, that you blame for all your
>woes. Everything that you do, such as your "martyrdom operations", are
>described as the products of your "rage" at being "dispossessed of your
>land", and of your "helplessness" in the face of "Zionist" might.
>
>There are only 300 million Arabs against over 5 million Jews! How unfair!
>How unjust, that so many can do so little against so few!
>
>A number of Western commentators have put Arab failures down to numerous
>cultural factors, not the least being Islam. Your religious beliefs in
>martyrdom and jihad, coupled with a total inability to accept any blame for
>your own predicament, have combined to do you great and lasting damage.
>
>Look closely at why Western countries such as Israel have succeeded, and
>Muslim countries have not. Western countries are free-market democracies.
>Muslim countries (other than Turkey) aren't. Surely that should tell you
>something.
>
>Why I Stand.
>As I said, I do not, and I will not, support the Palestinian cause. Why not?
>I have a number of reasons, and here they are:
>
>1. You have made it clear beyond any shadow of doubt that you intend to
>destroy Israel and kill or drive out its Jewish population. This is
>genocide, pure and simple. You justify this by saying that Israel has
>committed many crimes against your people, and that you seek "justice". I
>say this in response- NOTHING WHATSOEVER is an acceptable justification for
>genocide. Loss of land, humiliation at being militarily defeated - others
>have suffered these and moved on to create new nations and opportunities for
>themselves.
>
>Examples abound- the Germans thrown out of East Prussia in Europe, 1945, the
>Nationalist Chinese who fled to Taiwan in 1949, to name but two. Germans and
>Taiwanese have coped with military defeat and the loss of land. They haven't
>warred with their neighbours, nor have they launched terrorist attacks upon
>them. Both countries have more wealth than any Arab nation. Why can't
>Palestinians cope? Are Germans and Chinese better able to deal with
>adversity than Arabs?
>
>2. You have accused the Israelis of "genocide" against you. Here's a
>question for you: Israel has atomic bombs and powerful military forces. If
>they really, truly wanted you all dead, they could easily do it. Why haven't
>they? If the Israelis went all-out, you would be, as we say in New Zealand,
>"dog tucker". Why did they spend so much time negotiating with your leaders?
>Because Israel wants peace and secure borders. You refuse to give them even
>those. You plan genocide and accuse Israel of the same crime. Prove it!
>
>3. The use of terrorism. Killing people for being Jewish is despicable.
>Terrorist attacks on innocent civilians are also despicable. (At this point,
>I'd like to pause and get a question of nomenclature cleared up, regarding
>those Palestinians who kill themselves and others with explosives strapped
>to their bodies. You call them "martyrs". Western media sources and
>academics debate the precise term to use in describing them. Others,
>including the Israelis, call them terrorists.
>
>I have a better, more appropriate term. I prefer to use the word
>"kamikazes". The original kamikazes appeared in 1944, in the war in the
>Pacific. They were Japanese Navy and Army pilots,organised into "Special
>Attack Units" with orders to crash their planes into American warships, in
>the hope of destroying them - "one plane, one ship". Their initial impact
>was similar to that of the Al-Quaeda attacks on New York and the Pentagon-
>shock and horror. (I noted that many Palestinians appeared on Western TV
>celebrating the September attacks). Note: The American response, in both
>cases was not the one hoped for.
>
>Once the shock had worn off, the US set out to destroy the kamikazes, and
>terrible destruction was rained down on Japan, ending only with 2 atomic
>bombs. You know what is happening right now in Afghanistan to the Al-Quaeda
>group).
>
>4. Using children as suicide bombers. Anyone who teaches children to kill
>themselves in suicide attacks is not worth supporting under any
>circumstances. For you to do this to your children is an abomination. A
>commentator on a Web magazine said that if the Palestinians laid down their
>arms, they would get peace and land. If the Israelis laid down their arms,
>they would be killed. You know that is true, even if most of Europe doesn't.
>Your cause is evil, because it seeks destruction at any price. Genocide is
>not justice. Sacrificing your own children for the sake of your leader's
>personal ambitions is wicked.
>
>That's why I cannot support you. That's why I stand with Israel.
>
>Palestinian Past or Future?
>
>The Second World War in Europe ended with Hitler's suicide. He was replaced
>by Admiral Doenitz who quickly made peace with the Allies. Japan's leader,
>Emperor Hirohito, decided on surrender rather than see his nation destroyed.
>
>
>If Arafat chooses surrender, though, will the rest of the Palestinians go
>along with it? If he dies, will the war end? If the answer to both of these
>questions is No, then the Palestinian people are doomed. Do you really
>prefer death as a people? Do you fully comprehend what you are doing? If you
>are indeed aware that the path you have embarked on leads to destruction,
>and if you have freely chosen to walk in that direction, then as a people
>you are truly beyond hope.
>
>Are Palestinians really going to be a "Kamikaze Nation"? Are you really
>going to give Israel no other option except your destruction? If they must
>choose, then as Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld said, "better a
>terrible end than terror without end".
>
>Do not think that kamikaze tactics can get you what you want. The Israelis
>can tell you all about Masada, if you ask them. Remember what happened to
>the Japanese at places like Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Palestinians deserve
>better than the current mess you are in now - but before you can be given
>anything, you must offer a sincere peace, you must stop teaching your
>children to hate, you must stop believing that "victimhood" justifies
>everything and - above all other things - GIVE UP ISRAEL! Accept that you
>will never go there again except perhaps as workers or tourists. Accept that
>Jews are human beings. Accept the verdict of 1948 and learn to live with it.
>
>
>Invest in banks, not bombs. Build computer chips, not Kalashnikovs. Teach
>science and mathematics, not hate. Look to the future, not the past. Stop
>blaming Americans and Jews for all your problems, and take responsibility
>for your own actions. Read those parts in the Quran about living with the
>"peoples of the Book".
>
>Golda Meir, the former Israeli Prime minister, is quoted as saying " there
>will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children
>more than they hate Israel ". Every time I see pictures of Palestinian
>children waving guns and wearing dummy explosives, then I can only say she
>is right. The alternative to peace is not victory but death.
>
>Think about it- before it's too late.
>
>From an Infidel to Those Who Submit, and are living in the Holy Land - May
>God grant you steadfastness in the face of things that cannot be changed,
>the capacity to cope with those that can be changed, and the wisdom and the
>ability to tell the difference.
>
>David White
>Auckland, New Zealand
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>Jerusalem, June 2, 2002
>
> An Open Letter to the Palestinians from an Agnostic
>
>Speaking Truth to the Powerless: An Open Letter To The
>People Commonly Called "Palestinians".
>
>Greetings to any Palestinian who may be reading this. My name is David
>White. I am a citizen of New Zealand, a small, Western, nominally Christian
>country in the South Pacific Ocean. I am not Jewish, or Christian, I guess
>I'm vaguely agnostic.
>
>Writing this letter is a good way for me to discuss the horrible mess in the
>Middle East, spell out as many relevant points as possible concerning the
>state of the Palestinian people, and to see what can be made of them I don't
>speak Arabic, so I can only communicate with English-speaking Palestinians.
>There aren't many here in NZ, though, and I haven't yet met any. I don't
>know how many will ever see these words, but, here's hoping someone does.
>
>I have a post-graduate university education, and I suppose I could be called
>an intellectual. Unfortunately, many such people have supported abhorrent
>ideologies such as Nazism, and continue to support Communism, so I refuse to
>describe myself in this way. I don't want to considered as just another
>"trendy leftie" academic, as we would say in NZ. So, unlike many
>university-educated types, I am anti-totalitarian, pro-peace up to a
>point,pro-democracy, pro-capitalism (except the capitalists running Enron),
>and skeptical about the "cult of victimhood." I'm quite safe here in New
>Zealand, and no-one I know has been killed by a Palestinian.
>
>My perspective of Palestinians is something like this - you're Arabs (of
>course), mostly Muslim, but with a Christian minority. Many of you live
>outside Gaza/West Bank, mostly in Jordan and other Muslim countries, with
>some groups living in Western countries as well. You feel that you have been
>wronged by Israel and are fighting to destroy them.
>
>As for my perspective on Israel, I see them like this. They are a mainly
>Jewish, small, free-market democracy with a large Arab minority surrounded
>by hostile Arab dictatorships. They have an ancestral claim to Israel, their
>state was created as a refuge from persecution, they have a right to exist,
>and, having survived a holocaust in Europe, they should not have to sit
>still and wait for another one in the Middle East.
>
>A Down Under Overview.
>Over the last few months, the conflict in the disputed territories of Gaza
>and the West Bank has turned into a war between the Palestinian people and
>Israel. (I will not apologise for using the term "disputed", as I believe it
>reflects a rather complicated situation more accurately than "occupied").
>
>Your interpretation, as far as I can tell, seems to be something like this:
>You have no state of your own, and you are fighting a war against those you
>call "Zionist oppressors" and "colonial imperialists", in order to create a
>Palestinian state. Accusations of massacre and human rights violations by
>the Israeli Army are being tossed around like confetti. Your leader, Yasser
>Arafat, vows to "martyr" himself rather than "surrender", and that bungling
>and incompetent organization, the United Nations (again, no apologies for
>venting personal opinions), is trying to do what it is constitutionally
>incapable of doing, i.e. "saving future generations from the scourge of
>war".
>
>The Israelis see things differently, of course. For them, it's a simple
>battle for survival. They offered you a state, and you attacked them
>instead. They have occupied Palestinian towns, have fought it out with
>various armed groups, and desperate attempts are being made by the US, other
>Arab countries and the UN to break the so-called "cycle of violence". As a
>result, the Palestinian situation at the moment generally, can be explained
>by putting it into New Zealand idiom.
>
>Put bluntly, the Palestinian people are buggered. Munted. Stuffed. Rooted.
>(American equivalent=screwed. British equivalent: done over). It's like
>this: Yasser Arafat turned down the Israeli offer of a Palestinian homeland
>in Gaza and the West Bank. You want, or Arafat claims that you want, a
>Palestine "from the river to the sea;" in other words, "all or nothing".
>
>There is one insuperable obstacle to this- Israel. No matter how eloquent
>your arguments or numerous your martyrs, no matter how many European
>diplomats are angered by, or UN resolutions are passed against, Israel, the
>Israelis are not going to pack up and leave. The only way you will get the
>Palestinian state you want is to destroy Israel.
>
>This is what you have been trying to do since 1948, and the current
>"intifada" launched in 2000 is your latest effort. However, the Israelis are
>not standing there and letting you kill them. They are fighting back, and if
>they have to choose between their own survival and yours, guess which choice
>they'll make.
>
>A Vast Wringing Of Hands, A Great Fluttering Of Diplomats. That has been the
>overall response to the disaster you have created for yourselves. You, the
>Palestinian Arabs, are obviously hoping for some kind of international
>intervention to save you. As we in New Zealand would say, "Get Real!".
>
>The European Union and the UN have demonstrated on numerous occasions in the
>past their incompetence and total incapacity to take any sort of firm action
>without American leadership. Ask your Muslim brothers of Bosnia-Herzegovina,
>about how effective the EU and the UN were in protecting them without
>American intervention. In spite of the impression that American diplomatic
>efforts have created, the US will not take sides against Israel, and will
>eventually abandon its futile attempts at evenhandedness. If they do join
>forces militarily with Israel in their war against terrorism, your fighters
>will be snuffed out like candle flames.
>
>As for your "beloved Arab brothers" in the Middle East, they make a great
>deal of noise about your "liberation struggle", and have sent money and
>arms, but have not sent a single tank to save you. Their diplomatic
>proposals are ones that could have been offered at any time, and are aimed
>at benefiting them, not Palestinians.The Egyptians themselves will not
>declare war on Israel unless they receive $100 billion to cover their costs.
>
>
>Do you really believe that the rest of your Arab Muslim brothers think you
>are worth that much? Do you really believe they will put your interests
>ahead of their own? Although your friends and Arabs in Europe are passing
>sanctions and burning synagogues in your support, not a single EU warship
>has sailed to your aid, and not a single NATO aircraft has dropped a single
>bomb on your "Zionist oppressors".
>
>I have noted that large numbers of people, including university educated
>intellectuals support the Palestinian cause. Don't be misled by this. No
>matter how many western intellectuals, news media and international
>organisations may support the Palestinian struggle, none of this matters
>because America stands by Israel.
>
>The Unbearable Burden of Life
>How did you get into such a mess? As you yourselves would say and have
>indeed said on many occasions, it isn't your fault. It's always the "Great
>Satan" America, and it's "Lesser Satan", Israel, that you blame for all your
>woes. Everything that you do, such as your "martyrdom operations", are
>described as the products of your "rage" at being "dispossessed of your
>land", and of your "helplessness" in the face of "Zionist" might.
>
>There are only 300 million Arabs against over 5 million Jews! How unfair!
>How unjust, that so many can do so little against so few!
>
>A number of Western commentators have put Arab failures down to numerous
>cultural factors, not the least being Islam. Your religious beliefs in
>martyrdom and jihad, coupled with a total inability to accept any blame for
>your own predicament, have combined to do you great and lasting damage.
>
>Look closely at why Western countries such as Israel have succeeded, and
>Muslim countries have not. Western countries are free-market democracies.
>Muslim countries (other than Turkey) aren't. Surely that should tell you
>something.
>
>Why I Stand.
>As I said, I do not, and I will not, support the Palestinian cause. Why not?
>I have a number of reasons, and here they are:
>
>1. You have made it clear beyond any shadow of doubt that you intend to
>destroy Israel and kill or drive out its Jewish population. This is
>genocide, pure and simple. You justify this by saying that Israel has
>committed many crimes against your people, and that you seek "justice". I
>say this in response- NOTHING WHATSOEVER is an acceptable justification for
>genocide. Loss of land, humiliation at being militarily defeated - others
>have suffered these and moved on to create new nations and opportunities for
>themselves.
>
>Examples abound- the Germans thrown out of East Prussia in Europe, 1945, the
>Nationalist Chinese who fled to Taiwan in 1949, to name but two. Germans and
>Taiwanese have coped with military defeat and the loss of land. They haven't
>warred with their neighbours, nor have they launched terrorist attacks upon
>them. Both countries have more wealth than any Arab nation. Why can't
>Palestinians cope? Are Germans and Chinese better able to deal with
>adversity than Arabs?
>
>2. You have accused the Israelis of "genocide" against you. Here's a
>question for you: Israel has atomic bombs and powerful military forces. If
>they really, truly wanted you all dead, they could easily do it. Why haven't
>they? If the Israelis went all-out, you would be, as we say in New Zealand,
>"dog tucker". Why did they spend so much time negotiating with your leaders?
>Because Israel wants peace and secure borders. You refuse to give them even
>those. You plan genocide and accuse Israel of the same crime. Prove it!
>
>3. The use of terrorism. Killing people for being Jewish is despicable.
>Terrorist attacks on innocent civilians are also despicable. (At this point,
>I'd like to pause and get a question of nomenclature cleared up, regarding
>those Palestinians who kill themselves and others with explosives strapped
>to their bodies. You call them "martyrs". Western media sources and
>academics debate the precise term to use in describing them. Others,
>including the Israelis, call them terrorists.
>
>I have a better, more appropriate term. I prefer to use the word
>"kamikazes". The original kamikazes appeared in 1944, in the war in the
>Pacific. They were Japanese Navy and Army pilots,organised into "Special
>Attack Units" with orders to crash their planes into American warships, in
>the hope of destroying them - "one plane, one ship". Their initial impact
>was similar to that of the Al-Quaeda attacks on New York and the Pentagon-
>shock and horror. (I noted that many Palestinians appeared on Western TV
>celebrating the September attacks). Note: The American response, in both
>cases was not the one hoped for.
>
>Once the shock had worn off, the US set out to destroy the kamikazes, and
>terrible destruction was rained down on Japan, ending only with 2 atomic
>bombs. You know what is happening right now in Afghanistan to the Al-Quaeda
>group).
>
>4. Using children as suicide bombers. Anyone who teaches children to kill
>themselves in suicide attacks is not worth supporting under any
>circumstances. For you to do this to your children is an abomination. A
>commentator on a Web magazine said that if the Palestinians laid down their
>arms, they would get peace and land. If the Israelis laid down their arms,
>they would be killed. You know that is true, even if most of Europe doesn't.
>Your cause is evil, because it seeks destruction at any price. Genocide is
>not justice. Sacrificing your own children for the sake of your leader's
>personal ambitions is wicked.
>
>That's why I cannot support you. That's why I stand with Israel.
>
>Palestinian Past or Future?
>
>The Second World War in Europe ended with Hitler's suicide. He was replaced
>by Admiral Doenitz who quickly made peace with the Allies. Japan's leader,
>Emperor Hirohito, decided on surrender rather than see his nation destroyed.
>
>
>If Arafat chooses surrender, though, will the rest of the Palestinians go
>along with it? If he dies, will the war end? If the answer to both of these
>questions is No, then the Palestinian people are doomed. Do you really
>prefer death as a people? Do you fully comprehend what you are doing? If you
>are indeed aware that the path you have embarked on leads to destruction,
>and if you have freely chosen to walk in that direction, then as a people
>you are truly beyond hope.
>
>Are Palestinians really going to be a "Kamikaze Nation"? Are you really
>going to give Israel no other option except your destruction? If they must
>choose, then as Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld said, "better a
>terrible end than terror without end".
>
>Do not think that kamikaze tactics can get you what you want. The Israelis
>can tell you all about Masada, if you ask them. Remember what happened to
>the Japanese at places like Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Palestinians deserve
>better than the current mess you are in now - but before you can be given
>anything, you must offer a sincere peace, you must stop teaching your
>children to hate, you must stop believing that "victimhood" justifies
>everything and - above all other things - GIVE UP ISRAEL! Accept that you
>will never go there again except perhaps as workers or tourists. Accept that
>Jews are human beings. Accept the verdict of 1948 and learn to live with it.
>
>
>Invest in banks, not bombs. Build computer chips, not Kalashnikovs. Teach
>science and mathematics, not hate. Look to the future, not the past. Stop
>blaming Americans and Jews for all your problems, and take responsibility
>for your own actions. Read those parts in the Quran about living with the
>"peoples of the Book".
>
>Golda Meir, the former Israeli Prime minister, is quoted as saying " there
>will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children
>more than they hate Israel ". Every time I see pictures of Palestinian
>children waving guns and wearing dummy explosives, then I can only say she
>is right. The alternative to peace is not victory but death.
>
>Think about it- before it's too late.
>
>From an Infidel to Those Who Submit, and are living in the Holy Land - May
>God grant you steadfastness in the face of things that cannot be changed,
>the capacity to cope with those that can be changed, and the wisdom and the
>ability to tell the difference.
>
>David White
>Auckland, New Zealand
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